2 Sep 08, 2016 01:04
As said: what used to work out of the box -- like Tiny MCE -- does not anymore,
It would really help if you described what actually doesn't work for you (screenshots appreciated).
the platform is still not mobile
What does that even mean!? We say it is!
Go to http://demo.b2evolution.net and please make a screenshot of what you think is not "mobile"
and even the simplest interventions don't work as they used to.
For example: Bootstrap's style.css points to "FontAwsome". Can you please explain what is so awesome about bad old boring-boring, not very readable Helvetica, which all the richness of Google Fonts or Font Squirrel -- among others -- at hand?
FontAwesome has absolutely nothing to do with Helvetica; FontAwesome provides icons and nothing else. http://fontawesome.io
If you want UI settings for changing fonts because modifying a CSS file by hand is annoying, why don't you just ask for it? That is actually something we can add.
I am aware that we all need to move on and learn new stuff, but B2evo is a labyrinth.
Care to give a specific example of how you got lost?
The back end was never particularly user friendly, but especially in the light of new trends in web site development -- as mentioned -- it is simply not "today".
Care to post a picture of what you consider "today"?
I cannot afford anymore to dig through manuals or waste precious time to figure out something as simple as changing the site's typeface, make the header image flush or inject some code to make it more-or-less mobile.
Can you afford type to describe your issues with annotated screenshots? It's the best way for us to know what your problems actually are. Otherwise they will not magically fix themselves. Don't think your problems are obvious or even the same as what others want. If you don't explain, we don't know and we spend our time fixing someone else's problems...
Joomla + Gantry (http://www.gantry-framework.org/) or K2, for example, are 100% mobile out of the box (even on the back-
b2evo is also "100% mobile" (whatever that is supposed to mean) out of the box. I use it on my phone all the time.
and let me do this with a single click, without writing code (which I cannot)
Do what? Change the font. As said, how about asking for the feature instead of complaining we didn't read your mind earlier?
drop modules where I want them -- even in-page --,
We are working on these things in b2evo v7.
let me write custom CSS, then recompile and minify CSS, JS and HTML automatically, allowing me to concentrate on designing and building great looking sites in a matter of days or even hours.
In one sentence you say you don't want to write code and change a font in CSS and now you're talking about recompiling CSS. You realize you're just throwing complaints in the air but you are not specific about any of this? So it makes it very hard to help you.
Sites that score at least 75/100 on Google page speed, pass the large majority of rules and offer a 100/100 user experience on mobile (even on a shared server).
Bevo does not: 44/100 for mobile, 51/100 for desktop, only 4 passed rules,
What skin or what URL are you talking about?
plus a relatively poor mobile user experience.
Again, can you explain what your problem is on mobile?
Moreover, in B2evo I now have to remember the precise location and file name of a picture and dig into HTML to even be able to put a border on it, while -- as mentioned also -- dropping suggested code (,plugins : "plugin1, plugin2") in init breaks its functioning: i.e. it will be stuck in markup and won't switch to wysiwyg anymore.
How about you really explain what you would like to do (with screenshots) so we can actually understand what you mean.
If TinyMCE is broken, we will fix it.
When you want to put a border on an image, what do you actually want to do? Apply a CSS class to it or add a dirty old
border="1" to the HTML code?
Are you using b2evolution's attached images feature at all?
And then we're not even talking about the maze that is the Tiny MCE documentation...
Also, how is it possible that something as essential as a wysiwyg editor that worked fine in all previous implementations,
You know we actually upgraded an old version of TinyMCE to a newer version of TinyMCE as found here: http://tinymce.moxiecode.com
TinyMCE actually removed a lot of old school HTML properties, for example for harcoding styles on images.
There is a reason they did that. It's not a good practice to do that. And it is NOT responsive , i-e: NOT mobile friendly.
That being said, I'm not saying it was a good decision to upgrade TinyMCE without caring about some extra functionality. Based on other (more specific) feedback we are going to give TinyMCE more love in future versions (work already underway).
now requires expert user intervention,
To do what?
lacks an expert/basic switch button
What are you missing in the toolbars?
a file browser
b2evolution has a file manager. If you expect an additional filebrowser inside the editor, you probably completely missed the way b2evolution handles images. Please look at this: http://b2evolution.net/man/adding-photos-or-images
advanced image styling (border, margin, roll-over, etc.)
Do you realize that you want to edit borders and margins in the editor (so probably directly on the
img tags) and at the same time issuing complaints about mobile compatibility. Do you realize that harcoding margins into content is the first thing not to do for displaying the same content on desktop and mobile?
suddenly goes from one mode to the other halfway an editing session?
Can you describe how to reproduce this?
Where most CMS' move forward, B2evo moves backward in the sense that even someone with considerable experience with the platform cannot get things done anymore in a timely manner.
If "forward" means hardcoding old HTML IMG properties into the content, then we definitely disagree on what a Content Management System should be.
And that, my friends, is simply counter productive, making learning this over again a waste of time.
What I understand here is that you don't want to unlearn the way you added borders and margins in HTML 10 years ago. It is very very "backward" to want to do that in 2016. Maybe we lacked in explained this, but still... I will agree there are a lot of things we could improve; but this is not a "forward" goal.
Where on Joomla I can teach a person in about two hours to build a simple article, including uploading images and files, styling text and images plus some very basic HTML editing, in B2evo I would not even know where to start.
So you're really serious about mixing content and presentation using old school HTML attributes (and having TinyMCE help you insert those old attributes)? That's the crux of your problem?